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New Post 5/27/2009 2:35 PM
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  derekmhart@yahoo.com
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Browser Security Issues 

OK, let's take a stab at this one. I will explain some things I have learned, and then I need feedback on what I may be missing.

First I did not want to have the extra text of WebPage Dialog showing in message boxes and pop up form, so I set InlineWindows Mode="On" in web.config, which pops up dialogs inside the context of the application, and does not open another browser window. This eliminated the need for pop up blockers (I think).

Then I went to test a VWG site I built on an Amazon cloud, which is a pretty locked down version of IE7. Right away, I realized I needed to add my site to the trusted sites list, or it would not show up. That is first thing I have to train users to do.

Next I noticed that my dialog windows were not displaying "most" of the items in it. Strange that it pops up, but has missing text boxes and other controls. So I narrowed it down to Tools...Internet Options...Security Tab... Internet...Custom Level...Scripting...Active Scripting...Enable - now I have read other articles that say how scripting needs to be turned on, but that is the second thing I have to train users to do.

Now message boxes do not show up in IE8... but I believe that will be fixed in 6.3.7.

Where I am going with this is that I am feeling a bit of a risk in using Dialog Boxes of any kind. Maybe the thing to do is convert these to user controls that simply show in a window.

I can see getting users to trust the site... but describing to them to turn on Active Scripting is pushing it.

Now here is a strange one on active scripting... I had to change this in the Internet Zone... not the Trusted Sites zone. If I change this in the Trusted Sites zone, is does not resolve the problem. Why is that?

1) Besides trusted sites and active scripting, is there another setting I need to train my users? Different in different browser or just IE is the issue?

2) Is the issue the dialog box? Is that what needs active scripting? If so, if I convert to user controls that just appear in the main form, will that solve the problem? Have I properly eliminated the pop up blockers with the inline choice?

3) Can I detect if the user has active scripting (probably a javascript nightmare), and use a user control or a dialog box based on that. Come to think of it, too darn complex...

4) Do I need a whitepaper on training my users what settings they need to set for the "standard" VWG program. If so, I think there should be an ongoing one maintained by VWG with a link. If any of us do have a site that we want thousands of users to come to, this problem brings that to a screeching halt.

 
New Post 5/28/2009 4:04 AM
  ori.cohen
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Re: Browser Security Issues 

Hello Derek,

Not sure why your users are requested to enable active scripting in IE.
Do you have an ActiveX that you use in your application?

When you use inline windows in VWG in any browser, you should not have any pop-up related security problem.

The problem where you don't see the content in IE8 will indeed be fixed in VWG v6.3.7 that will be released by next Monday.

I can't think of a way to know if the user has active scripting or not, besides launching an ActiveX on the client machine.

I truly can't think of anything you would need to train your users when using a standard VWG application without ActiveX and using inline windows only. no matter on what browser.

If you find anything that does not correspond that what I told you when you run your applications, please report it to use here, as it would be a bug that must be fixed.

Thank you for your cooperation!

Regards,

Ori Cohen
Support Manager, the Visual WebGui team


 

 
New Post 5/28/2009 6:15 PM
  derekmhart@yahoo.com
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Re: Browser Security Issues 

.I am going to paste back the parts that I think are relevant here, and definitely need addressing:

I THINK THE AMAZON CLOUD WAS A GOOD TEST. NO VWG WOULD EVEN COME UP UNTIL I DID THIS:
Then I went to test a VWG site I built on an Amazon cloud, which is a pretty locked down version of IE7. Right away, I realized I needed to add my site to the trusted sites list, or it would not show up.

THIS IS A DEFINITE PROBLEM:
Next I noticed that my dialog windows were not displaying "most" of the items in it. Strange that it pops up, but has missing text boxes and other controls. So I narrowed it down to Tools...Internet Options...Security Tab... Internet...Custom Level...Scripting...Active Scripting...Enable - now I have read other articles that say how scripting needs to be turned on, but that is the second thing I have to train users to do.

AND THIS IS STILL A VALID PROBLEM. I DID SEE THIS A WHILE BACK IN SOME OTHER POST IN THE VWG FORUMS:
Now here is a strange one on active scripting... I had to change this in the Internet Zone... not the Trusted Sites zone. If I change this in the Trusted Sites zone, is does not resolve the problem. Why is that?

 

 
New Post 5/28/2009 6:52 PM
  palli
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Re: Browser Security Issues 

Hi Derek,

This one I will leave for those with more knowledge on the security issues / versus scripting etc., than I have, which means it will wait until sunday, when their weekend is over.

P.S. if you still have references to those threads you found, doesn't hurt to reference them here.

Palli

 


Páll Björnsson - Visual WebGui support team - Email: support@visualwebgui.com
 
New Post 5/31/2009 5:08 AM
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  ori.cohen
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Re: Browser Security Issues 
Modified By ori.cohen  on 5/31/2009 7:08:49 AM)

Hello Derek,

Regarding your third comment, I created a new issue on the subject. Please view it here and track our progress.

During the work on this issue we will test VWG deployments on the Amazon cloud and publish the results on the forum and maybe later in a tutorial or the the soon to be released VWG Wiki.
If there is anything to fix or change in the VWG framework to allow a more streamlined work with the Amazon cloud, issues will be opened to cover all those aspects.

Regards,

Ori Cohen
Support Manager, the Visual WebGui team

 
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