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New Post 5/14/2009 5:59 AM
  fjoanis
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Disapointement 
Modified By fjoanis  on 5/14/2009 9:05:01 AM)

I was thinking about using VWG for my website and buying a pro license, but it seems it don't have the capabilities I need.  VWG was telling it's capabilities about AJAX so it was like really cool!!  But then I skratch and I skratch.  In my head AJAX means controls like those one : www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/Default.aspx

What I liked about VWG was the ability to place items easily without using tables or div in HTML, just WYSIWIG.  Not having to worry about security, cookies, CSS, etc. And for that part it worked pretty well.  I've done a little calculator for a friend in less then 30 minutes.  www.cesserfumer.com/cesserfumer/Main.ashx . Than deploying it on the net was a little hell.  www.visualwebgui.com/Developers/Forums/tabid/364/forumid/28/threadid/24394/scope/posts/Default.aspx .  But when I made it I was pretty happy about it!

 

Than I started my project.  I made some stuff really fast and help me raffine my design, etc.  Than I started to need some visuals.  First a simple onMouseOver to have a menu which higlight when your mouse is over it.  And they told me it was not possible because everything is server side.  (Or possible, but use your button in an ASPPageBox or something like that, than what's the point using VWG?).   Than I needed a star rating www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/Rating/Rating.aspx .  I've made it through an ASPPageBox, and seems to works fine.

I had a little problem using WaterTextMark, but it worked.   www.visualwebgui.com/Developers/Forums/tabid/364/forumid/27/threadid/24612/scope/posts/Default.aspx Community is awesome this is for sure.

 

Now what I need is pretty much

Accordion : www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/Accordion/Accordion.aspx

Animation : www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/Animation/Animation.aspx

CollapsiblePanel : www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/CollapsiblePanel/CollapsiblePanel.aspx

HoverMenu : www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/HoverMenu/HoverMenu.aspx

ListSearch : www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/ListSearch/ListSearch.aspx

the most important is the drag panel for me : www.asp.net/AJAX/AjaxControlToolkit/Samples/DragPanel/DragPanel.aspx  Seems like it's too complicated to do : www.visualwebgui.com/Developers/Forums/tabid/364/forumid/27/threadid/24983/scope/posts/Default.aspx

 and so on ... you see the point.  Those are all controls which make a website looks like an AJAX web site.  I'm not angry, I'm disappointed and I think I've used the wrong technologie wanting to avoid placement of elements pain in HTML.

So your making great work, I just think that it would be a real revolution if you had all the Ajax control toolkit and telerik controls working.  For now, I'm creating my company as a student and can't afford to wait that it's working, or loose 1 month of developpement to try to wrap correctly those controls.  Again the community here is awesome and really helpful.  Just feel like using wrong tool for the job. Add those real AJAX controls and you will own the world :)

Fred

 
New Post 5/14/2009 6:35 AM
  ori.cohen
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Re: Disapointement 

Hello Fred,

Strangest thing. All your points of features missing from the VWG framework, are of features that are either going to be implemented in VWG v6.4 or scheduled in our roadmap under the section "Enables fast editing of themes and creating a branded Web 2.0 rich UI.".

All the features you discussed are going to either be added completely in either VWG v6.4 or in that item in our road map, or will be very easily implemented in that environment by even a novice VWG developer.

I urge you to stick around for a while and experiment with VWG v6.4 Preview 1 that we will release on the 25th (of this month).

Please reply if you need any directions or require any additional information.

Regards,

Ori Cohen
Support Manager, the Visual WebGui team

 
New Post 5/14/2009 7:13 AM
  fjoanis
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Re: Disapointement 
Modified By fjoanis  on 5/14/2009 10:55:24 AM)

ok I'll stick around and I'll be the first to download 6.4 the 25 :)

I'm watching the roadmap and all my needed features seems to be for Q4 2009.  Websites Support, Browsers support, Communication Server, Themes mechanism.

 
New Post 5/14/2009 8:23 AM
  ori.cohen
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Re: Disapointement 

Hello,

I am very glad to hear that.
I am also sure you will be very happy with VWG v6.4 once it is stabilized and released as VWG v6.4.0.
It adds many features that I am sure you need and have not stated in this thread.
We sure are very very excited about it!

Regards,

Ori Cohen
Support Manager, the Visual WebGui team

 
New Post 3/23/2011 7:05 AM
  unil
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Re: Disapointement 

Hello Ori (or everyone else at Gizmox)

I would like to "reopen" this post a little bit (which was originally initiated by forum member fjoanis almost two years ago).

We are a VWG newbie and are currently exploring its potential by making prototypes. VWG is obviously a tremendously good product which satisfy many of our needs.

However, we have the same requirements  for more AJAX-like richness as fjoanis do.
Please excuse us if we have not been able to detect all the functionality of VWG, but where are the controls that equals Ajax Accordion, Collapsible Panel etc etc. ...? The VWG NavigationTabs is pretty much like the Ajax Accordion, but not quite the same behaviour, does it...? We really need a type of Collapsible Panel, or any kind of page extender. And also Rounded Corners on controls like the VWG Panel, which will reduce the need for images "faking" the rounded corners.

So the big question is:
- Is more AJAX-like richness still on your roadmap?
- In that case, will it be a part of the Professional Controls Suite or included in the Professional Studio....?

Thanks for your response!

Regards,
Unil
 

 
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