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New Post 11/19/2008 7:33 AM
  itzik.spitzen
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Re: Licensing, Per-Domain, and early adopters 
Modified By itzik.spitzen  on 11/19/2008 10:34:30 AM)

Hi again guys,

Michael:

Royalties are for premium products only, this means that unless you are using premium products you don't have royalties fee. When premium extensions become ready to release, they will be added to the products section on the web site and they will be delivered with a license to the end customer based on the deployment model.

OEM license is required when you develop a "shelf product" (rather than develop a specific project to a customer or use it for an internal system); then the OEM licensing will entitle you to embed visual WebGui SDK within this product and then the fee will be determined according to your needs (especially according to the volume/distribution). Using VWG within specific customer’s projects will not require commercial license only if your customer understand the meaning of LGPL fully, knows that the infrastructure is based on LGPL and is ready to accept the terms; in any case that the customer requires full proprietary, then a per seat developer license has to be purchased for any of the application developers/maintainers.

In general, I truly believe that you guys are ready to pay for licensing as required, and that it is of your interest to support the VWG solution and to push is forward until it becomes the top leading solution for building business apps over the web.

We are still thinking over the business model, examining it on a regular basis and making adjustments to it according to the market response and that is why it does change from time to time and is still subject to change.

As for early adopters, we will add a mechanism to enable partial licensing for any control which was previously free and now it is not. This means that you will be able to deploy the ScheduleBox for example but not the RibbonBar even though they share the same Office extension assembly.

HappyFirst:

As for using the LGPL or the early adopters’ free license, you can deploy on as many domains as you like with any number of CPUs freely.

In order to be released from the LGPL you will have to purchase a commercial license (per developer seat) and then you can develop projects freely and deploy an non-LGPL solutions to your customers, not having to tell them you use an open source library.

As I wrote before, any other premium will be charged on separately as per deployment (royalties) according to the licensing of each premium (per domain for SDK extensions such as Office or per CPU for server extensions such as Scalability server).

Let me know if you still have questions.

Regards,
Itzik Spitzen

 
New Post 11/19/2008 9:18 AM
  michaelb
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Re: Licensing, Per-Domain, and early adopters 
Hi itzik, thanks for clarifying the OEM licensing for the WebGUI SDK, that last explanation makes a bit more sense now.

Also, not to sound redundant or ask silly questions but I noticed this in your post:

As for early adopters, we will add a mechanism to enable partial licensing for any control which was previously free and now it is not. This means that you will be able to deploy the ScheduleBox for example but not the RibbonBar even though they share the same Office extension assembly.

To expand on this point...I understand the "partial licensing for controls" as stated above. When it comes to controls that I want to use like your RibbonBar control which we have to pay for, can we purchase licensing for that office control separately or do we have to buy the whole Office extensions bundle?
 
New Post 11/19/2008 9:48 PM
  itzik.spitzen
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Re: Licensing, Per-Domain, and early adopters 

Hi Michael,

We will make it possible for early adopters to purchase the rest of the office package in a reduced price, however, please note that the complete office extension will cost around $300 per domain (this actually means per project), so it’s really not that much anyway.

Regards,
Itzik Spitzen

 
New Post 11/20/2008 4:49 AM
  happyfirst
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Re: Licensing, Per-Domain, and early adopters 
But it's per domain , it will add up, and managers simply don't want the paperwork/tracking headache. What happens if a they purchase a per domain license, at some point they no longer need that domain/project license, can they move that over to another domain/project? What if I build a single project that can host multiple clients? But then at some point I allow clients to redirect their domains to my server? These are questions that managers don't even want to ask or ever worry about. They'd rather spend way way way more than that amount to have developers come up with a royalty free way to accomplish the same thing that then lets them sleep at night.  My suggestion if you are really stuck on per domain is to at least then offer a royalty free version for like 3x the per domain or something along those lines.
 
New Post 11/20/2008 6:31 AM
  michaelb
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Re: Licensing, Per-Domain, and early adopters 

Hi itzik,

Thanks for the reply, but I was refering more to purchasing individual controls as opposed to the whole "kit", like just the ribbon bar for example.

Also just to clarify again: when it comes to purchasing the VWG SDK and waiving the LGPL, is it possible for us to purchase the SDK without a communication server? I saw this on your products page.

 
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